{"id":343,"date":"2004-11-07T22:23:31","date_gmt":"2004-11-07T22:23:31","guid":{"rendered":"\/?p=343"},"modified":"-0001-11-30T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"-0001-11-30T04:00:00","slug":"","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/?p=343","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<h3>Can Marc come out and play?<\/h3>\n<p>My musings about the dangers of <a href=\"http:\/\/radio.weblogs.com\/0141875\/2004\/11\/06.html\" class=\"broken_link\">Protocol Poisoning<\/a> seem to have hit some kind of nerve right in the center of <a href=\"http:\/\/marc.blogs.it\/archives\/2004\/11\/protocol_poison.html\">Marc Canter&#39;s head<\/a>.  Ka-pow!<\/p>\n<p>Of course I wasn&#39;t arguing with Tim Bray over protocols.  I was trying to deal with his legitimate question about the size of the WS specs.  The fact that he works for Sun didn&#39;t enter into the equation.  He&#39;s a smart guy and I was intrigued by his question.<\/p>\n<p>But this isn&#39;t Marc Canter&#39;s main point.  He wants to drill into some kind of essence:  that &#8220;we don&#39;t want standards controlled by Microsoft or Sun.  It&#39;s that simple.&#8221;  <\/p>\n<p>I understand the gut feeling.  I was in a small company most of my life.  Microsoft was a force we always had to contend with, whether we liked what it was doing or not.<\/p>\n<p>So I know there is a lot of baggage.<\/p>\n<p>But I look at it differently.  First of all, I don&#39;t think Microsoft <em><strong>can<\/strong><\/em> &#8220;control a standard.&#8221;  Microsoft can put forward a set of proposals, but they will only become &#8220;a standard&#8221; if a bunch of players adopt them.  And people will only adopt them if they see the proposals as <strong>generating<\/strong> <strong>good<\/strong> for the consumer and the industry.  <\/p>\n<p>The question thus becomes one of whether Microsoft can adopt &#8211; and put forward &#8211; proposals <strong>which generate<\/strong> <strong>enough good<\/strong>.  If we can, Microsoft becomes a force that can be harnessed to speed the technology&#39;s incarnation in reality, helping to create a new environment that will potentially benefit all players<em>.  That&#39;s why I work there.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I&#39;m not used to speaking in the royal we.  But I think there is enough that is good in proposals like WS-trust and InfoCards that <strong>we<\/strong> should have a conversation rather than serving up bottles of vitriol laid down in past lives.   Let&#39;s look at some of what you could do at the application layer if a fully interoperable infrastructure were in place that made the application platform work in a distributed way.<\/p>\n<p>After all, that&#39;s where a new world of possibilities could open up for a certain brilliant (if attractively belligerent) innovator.<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Can Marc come out and play? My musings about the dangers of Protocol Poisoning seem to have hit some kind of nerve right in the center of Marc Canter&#39;s head. Ka-pow! Of course I wasn&#39;t arguing with Tim Bray over protocols. I was trying to deal with his legitimate question about the size of the &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/?p=343\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\"><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":68,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[2],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/343"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/68"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=343"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/343\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=343"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=343"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=343"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}