{"id":338,"date":"2004-11-10T17:48:47","date_gmt":"2004-11-10T17:48:47","guid":{"rendered":"\/?p=338"},"modified":"-0001-11-30T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"-0001-11-30T04:00:00","slug":"","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/?p=338","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<h4>The platform is cross platform<\/h4>\n<p>I was at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.netapps.org\/\">Network Applications Consortium<\/a> (NAC) conference in Houston <a href=\"http:\/\/www.netapps.org\/Events\/oct04confTOC.htm\">a few weeks<\/a> ago and got to hear from some interesting people from both the vendor and enterprise-customer worlds.  The discussion was anchored by a bunch of <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.netapps.org\/Events\/oct04confOverview.doc\">specific use cases<\/a><\/strong> prepared by the organizers.  For those who don&#39;t know NAC, it is a group that theorizes identity and infrastructure issues from the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.netapps.org\/techpubs-jul04esaexecsumm.htm\">customers&#8217; point of view<\/a> &#8211; without the usual analyst or vendor  optics &#8211; and thus has always fascinated me.<\/p>\n<p>Prior to Houston, I had spent the last year working really hard to figure out what Web Services mean for identity &#8211; and visa versa.  I&#39;ve concentrated completely on technology issues, not really paying attention to the way various parties have been crafting their messages and positioning their work.<\/p>\n<p>So it was very interesting to hear, for example, how IBM presented the relationship between Web Services, Java and J2EE.  I&#39;m not an expert in this area, but got the impression that for IBM,  Java, J2EE and their tool sets are a &#8220;one environment everywhere&#8221; cross-platform solution &#8211; with the &#8220;elasticising property&#8221; (or should I say safety valve) that if one of your partners is eccentric enough <strong>not<\/strong> to use the proposed solution, you can still contact &#8217;em through Web Services.<\/p>\n<p>Which was an approach fairly different from &#8211; but not incompatible with &#8211; my view of things going in to the meeting:  that Web Services in and of themselves represent a new interoperable platform &#8211; albeit one which will have various incarnations (sorry for the understatement).  I guess if I am right, IBM has an &#8220;interoperable platform&#8221; <strong>on top of<\/strong> an &#8220;interoperable platform&#8221; &#8211; something rife with possibilities for those like me who love &#8216;meta&#8217; &#8211; if not also a possible candidate for investigation by the <strong>Department of Redundancy Department.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>This thought led me into a satisfyingly recusive meditative tailspin, interupted by a new report from the Burton Group called &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.burtongroup.com\/research_consulting\/doc.asp?docid=953\" class=\"broken_link\">J2EE: A Standard In Jeopardy<\/a>&#8221; (not apparently open source) and discussed by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.burtongroup.com\/weblogs\/jamielewis\/archives\/2004\/11\/j2ee_a_standard.html\" class=\"broken_link\">Jamie Lewis today<\/a>.  It&#39;s all fascinating.  But based on nuances which are a little over my head.<\/p>\n<p>You see, I have to admit that I&#39;m just too much of a programmer dude to believe for even one second that all problems should or can be solved through a single computer language &#8211; even if it begins with the letter &#8220;J&#8221;.  I must need a bios refresh &#8211; I can&#39;t shake the memory that different languages lend themselves to different problems &#8211; <span style=\"FONT-FAMILY: Verdana\"><font size=2>C#, C++, VB, Jscript, Cobol, Small Talk, Perl, Pascal, Phyton, Oberon, APL, Haskell, Mercury, Scheme, CAML and OZ &#8211; you know, that kind of thing.  I mean, if the world is a matrix, how can we live without APL?<\/font><\/span><\/p>\n<p>My dream incarnation of <em>the new platform<\/em> would not limit our ability to solve problems &#8211; it would push every boundary to the limit.<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The platform is cross platform I was at the Network Applications Consortium (NAC) conference in Houston a few weeks ago and got to hear from some interesting people from both the vendor and enterprise-customer worlds. The discussion was anchored by a bunch of specific use cases prepared by the organizers. 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