{"id":300,"date":"2004-12-10T18:06:04","date_gmt":"2004-12-10T18:06:04","guid":{"rendered":"\/?p=300"},"modified":"2019-03-06T09:28:29","modified_gmt":"2019-03-06T15:28:29","slug":"relativistic-identity","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/?p=300","title":{"rendered":"Relational identity"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><br \/><img loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/images\/2004\/12\/10\/image002.gif\" alt=\"A picture named image002.gif\" width=\"319\" height=\"226\" align=\"right\" border=\"0\" hspace=\"15\" vspace=\"5\" \/><\/p>\n<h5><span style=\"font-size: 12pt;\"><span style=\"font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Model and terminology<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/h5>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\">Carl Ellison&#8217;s use of a notation to capture the relativistic aspects of identity reminded me of a paper I wrote a couple of years ago that went very much along the same lines.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\">I presented it to my friend David Vaskevitch, who is a CTO at Microsoft. He liked and understood the ideas, but made a great number of quite funny jokes at my expense about my introduction of greek symbols into the conversation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\">A few months later we had a meeting with Bill Gates where Bill, as is typical of him, began to drill deeply into our technology proposals. Within minutes he was posing questions which were related precisely to the problem of identity and &#8220;relativity&#8221;. Someone piped up that we needed Kim&#8217;s greek equations. I said that David had made me throw them out. Bill said, &#8220;Why did he do that &#8211; I love equations.&#8221; And so on we forged!<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\">I think Carl&#8217;s use of English language characters may be a big step forward. But here is how I put it at the time:<\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\" style=\"margin-right: 0px;\">\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\">The problem of representing people digitally is sufficiently complicated that we require a model and terminology in order to describe and solve it. The model in Figure 1 decomposes the problem into three components of representation.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in; tab-stops: list .5in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo5;\"><span style=\"font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol;\"><span style=\"mso-list: Ignore;\">\u00b7<\/span><\/span><em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Alpha<\/em> (<span style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\">the first in a series) is the object\u2019s representation of itself \u2013 for example, a person\u2019s representation of himself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in; tab-stops: list .5in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo5;\"><span lang=\"EL\" style=\"font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-ansi-language: EL; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\"><span style=\"mso-list: Ignore;\">\u00b7<\/span><\/span><em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Theta <\/em>( <span style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\">somewhere in the middle of a series) is the representation of the object by a third party, derived at least in part from an alpha, but not conclusive.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in; tab-stops: list .5in; mso-list: l3 level1 lfo5;\"><span lang=\"EL\" style=\"font-family: Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family: Symbol; mso-ansi-language: EL; mso-bidi-font-family: Symbol; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\"><span style=\"mso-list: Ignore;\">\u00b7<\/span><\/span><em style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">Omega<\/em> (<span style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\">the last in a series) is the representation selected by an observer. This is based on zero or more alphas and zero or more thetas, and may be persisted as a new theta that can be consumed in constructing other omegas<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\">The model can be expressed symbolically as <strong>Omega = <\/strong><strong>Phi (Alpha, Theta<\/strong><strong>)<\/strong>, where <strong>Phi ()<\/strong><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\"> is some function of alpha and theta where either alpha or theta can be null. A given phi is one of a set of many possible functions, most of which have conventionally been performed manually using organizational policies.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\">For the masochistically inclined, I have posted some more of this document here (link lost &#8211; Kim)\u00a0 &#8211; with greek characters that actually work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\"><strong>Good news from Carl<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\">Meanwhile, Carl&#8217;s response to yesterday&#8217;s posting means we are converging some more:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\" style=\"margin-right: 0px;\">\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoBodyText\" dir=\"ltr\"><span style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: bold;\">You&#8217;re right, Kim. I was talking about O&#8217;s view of P rather than P&#8217;s view of P (which is as close as I can get to P&#8217;s real identity). I hadn&#8217;t been thinking of a person who selects different views of him- or her-self to disclose to different people or in different situations. That&#8217;s something some people do\u00a0 (I know &#8211; almost everybody) so we had better pay attention to it and its effects.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Model and terminology Carl Ellison&#8217;s use of a notation to capture the relativistic aspects of identity reminded me of a paper I wrote a couple of years ago that went very much along the same lines. I presented it to my friend David Vaskevitch, who is a CTO at Microsoft. He liked and understood the &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/?p=300\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Relational identity<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":68,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[2,1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/300"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/68"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=300"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/300\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1726,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/300\/revisions\/1726"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=300"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=300"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.identityblog.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=300"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}