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Ron

Hi this is Ron Jacobs and welcome to our talk today. I’m joined by Kim Cameron who is an architect in Windows Identity and access management area. I guess I’d say how’s it going Kim?

00:47.11

Kim Cameron

It’s just great.

01:7.31

Ron

And and so, that’s really interesting. I didn’t realize that we had a whole group that is focused around identity and access management in Windows.

01:8.43

Kim

Oh sure, because we have things like Active directory, you know meta directory integration services and all that sort of stuff. So different ways of being able to find out who you are dealing with inside windows environment. So when you for example login to windows, you know, somebody is got to write that stuff

01:17.11

Ron

Yeah oh yeah, I’m glad you are because you know

01:36.98

Kim

It’s not me though

01:40.08

Ron

OK well (laughs)

01:40.73

Kim

It’s our, it’s our group

01:42.51

Ron

Your group… yes, but you are the architect. You’re the guy that like in Matrix who wheels around and says I’m the Architect

01:43.96

Kim

Yeah, Yeah, I’m responsible for what's wrong and what's bad about it,

01:51.00

Ron

Okay… Now you’ve come up with this real interesting thing that we are going to talk about today called the Laws of Identity. And I love; I love these kind of things. There are seven laws of Identity that you’ve written down on your, on your wonderful blog which I’ve to plug it’s www.identityblog.com

01:55.93

Kim

I love you…

02:16.72

Ron

Well you can return the favor and plug this show later

02:17.50

Kim

I’ll I’ll

02:22.18

Ron

I love concise list like this because it kind of formalize a lot of random thinking that goes on. How did you come up with this list

02:22.90

Kim

Well you know I was … Have you been ever to one conference too many?

02:33.30

Ron

I have … yeah

02:38.10

Kim

So you know I was there and I just was listening to the way the discussion was going and it occurred to me that we don’t really have a framework that allows us to restart the discussion about identity anywhere except from the beginning each time we have it. Sort of like back to the beginning, rewind, and we start again. And all the words mean different things to different people and basically there is… so as a result everybody ends up discussing little technical nits instead of the real concepts that are behind these things. So I figured … is there some way that I can actually reset the conversation or or… well the same time I was just starting to blog and I didn’t really know anything about it … which was a good thing… and I didn’t have anything to write about so I was going … you know… I wondered what would happen if I started this discussion in about. How we get a real … you know… a set of concepts that we can reuse so we don’t always have to go back to square one. And do that with the web… so… it was kind of … it was just a … sort of… experimental, trying to figure it out kind of thing.

02:38.96

Ron

Yeah and I guess a few people have noticed this now and so started showing up in various conferences and slide decks and that sort of a thing right?

03:57.92

Kim

Yeah it’s really bizarre because first of all I was thinking that I’ll start a blog and then maybe a year from now or something people will start to read it.